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#1 Barbara

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 01:44 PM

There are many verses in the Old Testament which have been understood to point to the birth if Jesus.   Probably the most well known are:

 

Isaiah 7:14

14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel

 

Isaiah 9:6,7

For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
    Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the greatness of his government and peace
    there will be no end.
He will reign on David’s throne
    and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
    with justice and righteousness
    from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the Lord Almighty
    will accomplish this.

 

Micah 5:2

“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
    though you are small among the clans of Judah,
out of you will come for me
    one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
    from ancient times.”

 

And, promises to Abraham:

 

Genesis 17:19

19 Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac.   I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him."

 

Genesis 22: 17,18

17 "I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”

 

And to David:

 

2 Samuel 7:12,13

12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.

 

 

As we looks at these, I often wonder how the people to whom these were addressed at the time understood them?   Did they understand?   If not, when did they realise that these were speaking of a future time?   How do you feel about this?

 

Please add to these verses if you have one which really speaks to you.

 


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#2 hepzibah

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 03:27 PM

There's a verse in Hebrews 11 ...  39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

 

The idea that the patriarchs are waiting for us to come to faith in order to fully experience and understand the love of God always astonishes me! :D


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#3 Barbara

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 04:03 PM

True!


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Posted 03 December 2017 - 06:04 PM

I remember looking at the timeline in my study Bible and realising just how many years it was between the old and new testaments, and especially between some of the prophecies and their fulfilment.

 

I don't know if the cultures then were as impatient as ours is, but had I heard any of those prophecies, I would expect them to be fulfilled in my lifetime - unless I were old, in which case, the lifetime of my children. That would be my default position. And then if like one year went past I would probably be cross that it hadn't happened yet...


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#5 Barbara

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 07:07 PM

A bit like the people Paul wrote to who expected the second Coming any day!   We are losing the sense of expectation, I suspect.


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 09:35 AM

There's a lovely section in Those Who Wait about Isaiah realising his prophecies may not be fulfilled in his life time ... very moving.


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 10:45 PM

Not managed to post yet, but loving thinking about the prophesies! Our preacher mentioned on Sunday that the probability of one of the prophesies coming true is massive, but for so many to come true is truly amazing!


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:55 PM

It is quite mind boggling thinking about all the ways that prophecies in the OT came to pass in Jesus. Even the bits that must have seemed like a real pain to Mary & Joseph, like having to go to Bethlehem, but they are all part of the story & had to happen the way they did. I wonder how much they understood, even in hindsight, that they were part of these prophecies unfolding.  


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#9 Barbara

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 03:47 PM

I suspect Mary got to understand quite a lot, but feel sad that, apart form the couple of visits from angels, we know so little about Joseph.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 05:44 PM

All Joseph's God encounters were in dreams, Mary saw an angel, the Magi read the scriptures, Zechariah met an angel in the temple, Elizabeth felt her baby leap with joy ... there are so many ways to encounter God. Why do we find them so easy to miss, sometimes?


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:04 PM

True, sorry, not thinking straight


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:17 PM

All Joseph's God encounters were in dreams, Mary saw an angel, the Magi read the scriptures, Zechariah met an angel in the temple, Elizabeth felt her baby leap with joy ... there are so many ways to encounter God. Why do we find them so easy to miss, sometimes?

 

We see but don't perceive. I think you need faith to see things as from God. I remember one time seeing someone be prayed for and the person saying that physical healing had happened and showing that she could now move her arm. My first thought wasn't wow a miracle but cynicism and that startled me .  I'm not saying it's not right to test things, but if we always explain everything away then we can so easily miss God.


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 09:48 AM

I think we are *conditioned* to not recognise God's hand in our lives. Dh and I received a blessing last week and I spoke with a friend about it saying that I wished I knew who had provided for us so we could thank them, she sort of told me off by asking why I needed to know who God had used to help him answer a prayer! She was quite right in pointing out that this was indeed an answer to prayer and that the person/people God had used would be *thanked* by God Himself for what they did.

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Let your roots grow down into him, and let your lives be built on him. Then your faith will grow strong in the truth you were taught, and you will overflow with thankfulness.


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 12:58 PM

Yes, that makes a lot of sense


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